"We need both: the clarity to know when to fight and the wisdom to know when to listen." is an absolute banger of a quote
So glad we live in a world with both Disney and Ghibli, both approaches are so needed. And you are so right about Zuko, I think that's why people love ATLA so much. It captures both schools of thought, and brings balance.
That was beautiful. Ghibli antagonists being about compassion and classic Disney’s being about courage.
I don't know why, but hearing you mention Zuko out of nowhere made me tear up. Greatest antagonist ever written and the embodiment of balance, someone I can really relate to and have seen in others close to me. Thank you. Great video--I learned a lot.
"Scar is a shakespearean level villain" my brother in christ, that's because the Lion King is literally hamlet but lions.
there's this quote that I really like, it was from either J. R. R. Tolkien or C. S. Lewis that went, "fairy tales don't exist to tell children that dragons exist, they're to tell them that dragons can be defeated."
I think Disneys villains are tend to be more entertaining but “slightly” more cartoony. Ghiblis villains feel more human, interesting and complex
I'm really glad that this wasn't another simple "disney bad now Ghibli good" video
"Disney teaches us when evil needs to be confronted, Ghibli teaches when it needs to be understood - and we need both - the clarity to know when to fight and the wisdom to know when to listen. We need the courage of Disney heroes, and the compassion of Ghibli's characters." Thank you so much for recognizing the beauty of both!! For seeing that both have merits and applications in different scenarios - especially for not just giving in to the ultimate subversion that too many others give themselves to; i.e. saying there is no evil to ever confront etc. I would quote the entirety of the last few minutes of this video because they are glorious, but I have a feeling that'd be a little excessive XD This video has blessed me, thank you very much for seeing stories the way they should be!!!
“Here’s someone in pain, understand them, be kind” is SUCH a good lesson
About Maleficent, I think you're missing some context about her motive. Firstly, she's a fairy, which means her sense of morality is not comparable to human morality. Secondly, in the middle ages, not being invited to an event was considered an unspeakable insult. Because Aurora's christening wasn't some party, it was a national event where the whole kingdom was invited. So by not inviting Maleficent, the king had dishonored and insulted her.
Now, Disney is trying to do Ghibli-style antagonists without understanding what makes them special.
As a beginner writer, this video has helped me figure out the different things about antagonists in stories. I am starting to understand what to do to write better.
This is a thought-provoking video, and I really love how he wraps it up at the end. My concern with the thesis that evil is misunderstood is that it downplays very real evil that exists in the world. There are predators out in the world who seek to hurt people, especially people who are vulnerable.
The villain in most Ghibli films is the element of human nature which causes us to view our antagonists with prejudice, fear, and hate. Which is exactly how Disney wants kids to view the antagonist.
Interesting thesis, but I like to mention Colonel Muska from Laputa: Castle in the Sky, the only villain in Studio Ghibli how is not redeemed, because he represents what Miyazaki despises the most: militarism and imperialism. Muska's goal in Castle in the Sky was to use Laputa's high tech weapons to dominate the earth, ruling the earth from a floating castle in the sky. But Muska was thwarted by Sheeta and Pazu, using the spell of destruction and sending Muska to his death, leaving the giant tree and the few remains of Laputa to float higher in the sky. One thing to remember: villains in anime are not individuals per se, they are figureheads for systemic corruption, which can be corrected or redeemed if you will, unless it's too much of a threat it has to be extinguished, to keep balance and harmony, continued existence is the goal and victory in Eastern beliefs.
13:14 Puss in Boots: The Last Wish Some evil deserve punishment (Jack Horner) Some evil deserve empathy and can even be overcome (Goldilocks and the 3 Bears) And then there's Death. Terrifying, absolutely. But not evil by design, only in how it's practiced. And it cannot be defeated, only reckoned with.
I’d say the difference isn’t in evil, but villainy. Ghibli tends towards individual vs society dynamics (Princess Mononoke for example, everything characters do is an extension of their society. The emperor, iron town, and nature). Disney meanwhile is about individual vs individual; about defying power, selfishness, and malice. Society tends to be in thrall of villainy, not its source in Disney. In Ghibli, evil emerges when society usurps the humanity of the individual. In Disney evil emerges when an individual usurps the humanity of society. I’d love a Ghibli movie with a Disney Villian, but the character’s growth is having to accept that MC can’t save the villian, that MC can’t convince him and that people can simply be terrible sometimes (and thus accept that they have that same capacity for evil)
"It is light that drives out the dark... LIGHT!" - Ged "A Wizard of Earthsea" It is love and compassion that is needed to heal a wounded heart. And Villains are just wounded people.
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